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Response forwarded from a Reader on 10/30/07
I read quite a bit from the site yesterday.  Things which I have been saying for years.  Revelations and Daniels are two favorite books of mine and have been read over and over and over.  I have seen the evil of this world spread until I cannot believe what is happening.  He set our nation up to be a beacon to the rest of the world and greed and evil has managed to bring it down.  Of course, He knew it would. 
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A Message posted by a Reader on 12/7/07
Message Id: 1333811  User's email address: jqclampett@gmail.com

jqclampett wrote:
"It should be noted that all that's required to set off a nuclear device is to "surround" it with explosives that can be simultaneously set off."

I think a little more science would be in order here. If it were that easy to "set off" a nuclear explosion, I don't think the Manhattan project would have taken so long. It has to be equally surrounded by explosives and contained enough to actually push the atoms together. this is altogether unlikely to happen in any kind of normal explosion. The timing, force and containment vessel all have critical requirements. This can be looked up in a physics textbook. If it were this easy to create a nuclear explosion, it would have happened naturally in recorded history in deposits of pitchblende or uranium ore.

To make lay people believe that a conventional explosion can trigger either a fission or fusion event, is irresponsible. If you mislead them about this, how much faith can they put in any of your other "interpretations?
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Please accept our apologies.  The following section somehow got ommitted from the paragraph you have referenced, but has since been added.  As you can plainly see, we never implied that the explosion from the H-P reserve will set off the nuclear devices at Pantex, but instead, that it will vaporize them, which will then create a far more catastrophic result.  To wit:

"In this instance, if the H-P Reserve ever explodes, it will NOT actually set off these nuclear weapons.  No indeed, the results will be far worse than if they were to all go off at once;  because, the explosion from the reserve will be far more powerful than the explosion from the weapons themselves, and it will vaporize all Pantex nuclear weapons, and carry their radioactive particles into the atmosphere, all around the world."

Kirk White
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mikesugg@... wrote:

It is prophesied.....
...... undefined undefined undefined undefined But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

   So when I read articles like this one, i smile for I see that the Bible, once again, knows what It is talking about and that God's plan is right on target (schedule...etc.). So now what?
                                                                                     In Christ, Mike 
OUR RESPONSE:

Now we share what we have found with as many as we can before the time for helping others is gone....THAT'S WHAT!  It is the most pleasing thing we can do for God; to spread His truth to others.

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AngelSword.AF@... wrote:

The fires in Centrailia, PA, are due to a coal fire, started by the carelessness of a miner who lived in the town.  It is not due to punishment befalling the town.
OUR RESPONSE:

Centralia is an example of how pourous the ground under our feet is.  That fire has spread for nearly 50 yrs. and is showing no sign of slowing because it is constantly being fed by more and more coal that runs through the rock below the surface.  If a solid (coal) can cover so much area under ground,  and continue to burn, being supplied with oxygen fed to it from the surface, imagine what a gas, which can seep through the smallest cracks in rocks do when it is ignited.
 
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decamel@... wrote:

I simply want to know this, who comes up with your science "facts" for you? What crackpot theories of natural physics are you able to apply to come up with these "facts"? While I might not have spent the last 20 years of my life completely and entirely devoted to my personal love of physics, thus I would not call myself an expert. However all of these "facts" as you have stated do not stand up when the most basic laws of physics are applied. What's nearly as bad though is that you don't even cite your sources of information, little alone explain what process and theories you have used to come to these conclusions. That in itself is extremely poor science, not to mean "journalist reporting". I would simply advise that in the future, you at the very least explain your method.
OUR RESPONSE:

Well, decamel,

First off, some of the world's leading scientists have examined our site and had no problem understanding the concepts used to determine our claims,  but since you are not able to relate I'll try to assist you by simplifying things where possible.

First, in order to get the natural gas out of its "dry" hole, America pumps water into the dry hole to fill it up and force the gas out of it and into a pipeline.  This concept is called WATER REPLACEMENT.

When the water has been in the dry hole for some time,  it seeps toward the center of the earth.  This concept is called GRAVITY.

When gravity sucks the water toward the center of the earth, the missing water creates a concept called VACUUM.

Since the vacuum has nothing it can use to fill its empty space, it sucks atmospheric air (which includes oxygen) from the only source available,  which is from the surface of the earth.  This  concept is called  AIR REPLACEMENT.

Once the oxygen level in what started out to be a dry hole with natural gas in it reaches fourteen percent with respect to the natural gas that did not get forced out of its dry hole, it is said to be a VOLATILE MIXTURE, which means it has the potential to explode.

Once any source of ignition is introduced, from just any source at all, this concept is called an uncontrolled EXPLOSION.

Beyond that,  decamel.  you need only know how to say  BANG  really loud !!

I trust you will be able to relate to at least a few of the above described very well established laws of commonly recognized physics.
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Mormons4Justice@... wrote:

Why haven't the underground magma flows set this off already?  Perhaps it won't be a terrorist attack at all, just an earthquake that changes the flow of underground magma.
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Well,

Because Revelation makes it clear that it will be set off by an object falling from the sky, burning like a torch (lamp).

"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;  (Revelation 8:10)

"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.   And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of
 the smoke of the pit."    (Revelation 9:1-2)

Vince Diehl
 
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ags@... wrote:

Dear Brother,

Christian greetings in the precious Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Medes (i.e. Iranians) are NOT Arabs.

Your interpretations of Scripture are in error. God sent us a prophet by the name of William Branham (1909-1965) whose ministry restored the apostolic faith (Malachi 4:4-6; Matthew 17:11), finished the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) and introduced Christ's second or "parousia" Coming (I Corinthians 13:10; I Thessalonians 4:14-16; Revelation 10:1-4).
 The "rapture" is a threefold PROCESS as Paul explained. It commenced in 1963.

In 1933 the Lord showed him seven continuous visions, "The last and seventh vision was wherein I heard a most terrible explosion. As I turned to look I saw nothing but debris, craters, and smoke all over the land of America."

A few years before this, and about six weeks after the close of the Gentile dispensation, Russia will attack and invade 
mainland USA.

Yours sincerely in the love and service of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Your brother-in-Christ,

Anthony Grigor-Scott
OUR RESPONSE:

Well Anthony,

You are free to make all the "guesses" you want about various people's prophecies,  but if you read those on our site,  you will find that Vince Diehl has prophesied well over 150 very specific events as much as twenty years in advance, and that, as documented ,  in each instance,  he issued them publicly, in writing,  and no one has to claim all the verbage that you must cite in order to cause it to LOOK like he prophesied it.

The Staff at A-I-P
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jwilson@... wrote: 

How come the underground fire in Centralia hasn't set this gas off yet?
OUR RESPONSE:

Great question.

Probably because the Centralia Fire is not in an area where the H-P reserve has taken on oxygen.

At least not yet.

Vince Diehl
 
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sandraj5@... wrote:

It seems the underlying reason for providing all of this information
which is to get the interpretations of scripture.  Unfortunately, if they
are going to be interpreted literally, with no understanding of the
true messages within, we are in no better condition, so why bother.
OUR RESPONSE:

Hello Sandra,

If you have some specific thing you can cite SCRIPTURE on that would imply that so much as one of our prophecies, discernments, or articles is in any way contrary to SCRIPTURE,  then we will consider what you have to say.

Meanwhile, until you can cite such an error in our writings, the facts are that we are correct in what we have written,  and you, my dear sister, are simply stating an opinion.

And YES,  all SCRIPTURE is to be taken literally.

Otherwise you are guilty of making up  YOUR OWN  scripture !!

Vince Diehl 
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morelandjoe@... wrote:

I don't know who all these military and government experts are who kinded find fault with the ridiculous tale.  I worked for 35 years as a ground-water hydrologist for the U. S. Geological Survey and I can assure you that the basic premise behind this horror story is totally invalid.

Ground water is not sucked into the center of the earth by gravity.  All the void space below the water table is filled with water (or oil or gas) so there is no emply void space for the "replacement water" to fall into, no matter how hard the earth's gravity sucks on it.

Without a mechanism to "suck" oxygen into the depleted reservoirs, no explosive mixture will result.

I don't know who came up with this fairy tale but only a clown would make such claims.

And how about the idea that a "falling star" will ignite the gas fields?  Do you even know what a "falling star" is?  It certainly isn't a star that suddenly drops from the heavens.  Go read some science books and then come back and defend your theories.

Signed by
Morelandjoe
A ground-water hydrologist with a little common sense. 
OUR RESPONSE:

Well Joe, allow us to explain to why you are out of a job as a ground-water hydrologist with the U. S. Geological Survey.  It's because you are either a blabbering idiot who doesn't understand his job,  or,  because you just like running your mouth,  and everyone there got tired of listening to you.

Having said that:  Allow us to quote the Environmental News Network regarding these water acquifers which you flatly claim are so full they have no room to hold any of the "replacement" water that we state is being sucked (in their direction) toward the center of the earth by gravity.

Please note that:  (1) Along with the H-P Gas Reserve, these acquifers also encompass the vast majority of all space underneath the North American Continent, (2) That, for example, the Oaglalla Acquifer, which is the largest on the continent, has now been so far depleted that it's over one hundred feet below its normal level, (3), That it is in fact SO VERY LOW that it has shut down most irrigation farming in several states, and that (4), The space that this one hundred feet of depleted ground water used to fill has created a vacuum all its own,  (5)  A vacuum which,  all by itself,  would suck oxygen into the H-P Gas Reserve from the earth's surface.

Joe:  Please also note that because of the enormity of the water acquifers, if America's energy companies pump replacement water for TEN THOUSAND YEARS they could still not pump enough replacement water too fill the 100 feet of water level that our acquifers are now presently reduced by.

Gee,  morelandjoe, wonder what there is under our soil that could possibly fill this vacuum !!   Whereas, the acquifers are also sucking the energy company's replacement water toward the center of the earth !!

Allow us to cite the following article from the Environmental News Network.  Joe, please read the following CAREFULLY:

ENVIRONMENTAL NEWS NETWORK
http://www.enn.com/top_stories/commentary/21326

"For fossil aquifers, such as the vast U.S. Ogallala aquifer ... ... depletion brings pumping to an end. Farmers who lose their irrigation water have the option of returning to lower-yield dryland farming if rainfall permits. In more arid regions, however, such as in the southwestern United States, the loss of irrigation water means the end of agriculture.

In the United States, the U.S. Department of Agriculture reports that in parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas -- three leading grain-producing states -- the underground water table has dropped by more than 30 meters (100 feet).   As a result, wells have gone dry on thousands of farms in the southern Great Plains. Although this mining of underground water (by farming) is taking a toll on U.S. grain production, irrigated land accounts for only one fifth of the U.S. grain harvest, compared with close to three fifths of the harvest in India and four fifths in China." 
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morelandjoe@... wrote:

" Well Joe, allow us to explain to why you are out of a job as a ground-water hydrologist with the U. S. Geological Survey.  It's because you are either a blabbering idiot who doesn't understand his job,  or,  because you just like running your mouth,  and everyone there got tired of listening to you."

Well, isn't that sweet.  I thought I was just dealing with uneducated people who hadn't bothered to try to learn anything about ground-water hydrology.  Now it's obvious I'm dealing with immature fundamentalists who probably believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.  Ah well, it takes all kinds.  For your information, I still work under contract with the U.S. Geological Survey.  I guess they consider the Meritorious Service Award I received for excellence an adequate counterbalance to my propensity to be a blabbering idiot.  And evidently not everyone tired of listening to me because I have been asked to speak at numerous scientific meetings during my career.
 
But back to the main question.  As water percolates down through the unsaturated zone on its journey to the underlying water table, it has ample room to "sink" without "sucking".  For a vacuum to form, it would be necessary for the falling water to totally saturate the void space above the water table.  That would be a very unusual situation...water instead moves downward along preferred paths of flow with plenty of open space left behind.  You might compare it to waving your hand in the bathtub with your fingers spread or your hand cupped.  With the fingers spread, your hand passes easily through the water.  With your hand cupped, you actually create a sort of "vacuum" that pulls the water along.  Or maybe you've never gone swimming, I don't know.
 
The fact that the Ogalala Aquifer has been overdrafted is irrelevant to the argument.  You stated that the water is "sucked" into the center of the earth by gravity.  It is not.  Water only sinks to the level of the water table, whether it be 10 feet, 100 feet, or 1,000 feet below the surface.  Of course I know that there is an enormous amount of unsaturated material above the water table but that isn't the issue.  The issue is whether injected "replacement" water will be "sucked" into the center of the earth or not.  I'm afraid your science is a little weak in that area.
 
No need for you to respond (or post this message on your web page for that matter).  Your craftily worded response to my assessment of your theories convinces me that it would be futile to try have an intelligent discussion with you.
 
Joe A. Moreland
OUR RESPONSE:

I'm not going to argue with you Joe, because you refuse to deal with reality.

For one thing we have clearly documented that farmers alone have reduced the water level of our aquifers by at least one hundred feet in depth, and that's not to mention how much all the cities who get all their drinking water from the aquifer, Albuquerque, New Mexico to name just one, have reduced it.

Now then, according to you, there are "wide open" spaces for water to drain into the aquifer from above.  Well Joe, thanks for making our case for us.

Whereas, if you are correct,  and inasmuch as no one can disprove the Law Of Replacement,  then the AQUIFER'S water level being reduced has ITSELF sucked oxygen laden atmosphere (air) down into the natural gas reserves,  ALONG WITH the energy company's water replacement process.
 
No way around it Joe.  Our Natural Gas reserve is now loaded with oxygen !!!

Vince Diehl
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